Well done guys they look mint! We <3 you Laura, very best wishes!

YO SONGBIRD DEVS IM REAL HAPPY FOR YA AND IMMA LET YOU FINISH BUT WHEN THE F IS KANYE COMING OUT

I would like to echo Savior’s sentiment, and furthermore inquire what is holding up the process.

We’ll miss you Laura! The Songbird team sure has some big shoes to fill now. (And I’m not referring to your shoe size! ^.^)

@Saviour: Bahahahahahaha! xD

Laura, thank you so much for being supportive of me and everyone else over the past few months. I don’t know what kind of flock you are joining, but I hope that you migrated to it because you wanted to, and I hope that it is just as exciting as this one. Maybe make a comment on a blog post or on getsatisfaction every few months to keep in touch! I will miss you very much.

I think Kayne and Led Zeppelin are going to be dropped and the roadmap will continue with Madonna, looking at the nightlies.
So we’ll have to be patient until next year.

@Nick The devs would never stand for that! You will see a release this month!

I always do fresh installs no matter what OS it is, but it went flawlessly.. faster than ever, no problems whatsoever, just beautiful.

yes 1.4.x will be probably released… x may not be equal to 0, though As there is the Korn (another “K”, have you noted?) release that is already cooking at the moment, with a few nasty bugs correction (like the broken managed files), a brand new default feather and some nice new features like Playlist support for MSC devices. In addition to all what Andrew has listed for Kanye.

I’d rather bet that the upcoming release is Korn, not Kanye…There, a lot of bugs/enhancements are still open, but with a very aggressive planning. It is worth waiting a little bit more (better MSC integration with playlist support, nasty last minute Kanye bugs corrected and a pair of new shiny, shiny, shiny boots of feather).
As always, a software will be released when it is… released

Speaking of 9.10 upgrades, the iPod add-on seems to stop working when one does that. Has anyone experienced a similar problem?

Guess what, those people you don’t know are actually the ones developing this piece of software that you can use for free. But someone has to pay for their lunches all the same, right?
So, in addition the you and me, Songbird happens to be also a company that has paying customers who will fund the development and as such, are entitled to have additional product requirements and time constraints that cannot be told publicly at every move.

So, don’t worry, news will come when they come…
In the meantime, you can enjoy the latest 1.4 builds if you want. They’re pretty stable.

Hope this helps.

I’m French, so please don’t be impolite by asking to be pardoned!
And we’re not THAT rude after all, for I don’t know where you have read the f*** word in my reply.
I stand by every word of this reply though: Songbird is free, hence deals have to be found and made by the company, hence constraints that John Doe is not aware of and that can lead to some delays…
I really think this needs to be reminded gently once in a while in response to constant complains about planning.

None taken

@Forest, every open source project changes plans all the time. None keep you 100% updated. Open source projects get delayed or released prematurely all the time.

Also, you are forgetting there are release trackers on the wiki for people who are interested…..
http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/Releases/Kanye

Also, have you tried dropping by IRC and asking the developers yourself? Its easy to say they are hiding everything from users, when you’ve never jumped on #Songbird or #songbird-ninjas irc to speak to them…

BTW, when are we going to see this new feather we’ve been hearing so much about? I’m a bit excited to see what changes have been made.

@Andrew I’m not saying they shouldn’t change their plans. I’m just saying, they ought to use the blog to keep users informed about those changes. I follow a number of other open source projects and of all of them, Songbird is by far the least inclusive of its community. For example, you mention the release trackers on the wiki, but those are basically useless. The Jackson 5 tracker has been up for months without any changes and without any explanation as to why. Likewise, a Korn tracker randomly appeared without any explanation. What is that? And there are release pages for Led Zeppelin and Madonna with big chunks of release information missing. If I didn’t know any better, I would look at those trackers and think that POTI were about to release 5 new versions of Songbird. In addition to that, there is a page outlining some new feather, but no discussion elsewhere of what this feather is and why it’s being worked on. Will it replace the current default feather? And if so, what’s wrong with the current one? Why is work being done on a new feather if there is already a perfectly good one and a number of core features still do not exist? And might I add, many of the wiki pages are misleading or incorrect. For example, the CD Rip page makes no mention of the fact that the feature is Windows-only. Isn’t that important information to spread and make known?!

As for IRC, I’ve never used IRC before. I have nothing against it, but it just wouldn’t have been my first thought on how to find out information about Songbird, especially since there is already a Songbird blog. What’s the point in having a blog about Songbird which is not actually about Songbird? This blog ought to be titled, “Songbird Developer lunch blog” because it contains more information about what POTI eats than about what they code. Most oss blogs contain snippets of thoughts on coding ideas or snapshots of upcoming releases with explanations of new features or debates on the direction that the software should take. This blog used to be like that too, but in the last year things have really changed dramatically. I miss those updates, and I miss being informed about the progress of Songbird. Please Songbird developers., make the Songbird blog about Songbird again. I don’t think it’s too much to ask!

It’d be nice if all of Linux were supported, but I think that the workload would rather large to get each popular distribution satisfied. Having to build .debs and .rpms and whatnot would probably take a lot of time out of the work schedule, and when a significantly lower number of people use Linux than Mac/Windows, it just kinda seems to seal the deal. I mean, why don’t they start packaging .pet files for puppy linux? They should support the Linux community and do that, don’t you think?

Please don’t take this offensively, I really don’t mean to give any. They have bills to pay at the end of the day, and, like with Firefox, Linux will just take a backseat (though it still will run pretty well).

@king of budgies I’ve experience the ipod problem too. Used to work but no more…

@DD, Actually, apparently Songbird wanted to get into the official Ubuntu repository, but was rejected, because they use their own custom version of Gstreamer (kind of like the Apple app store). So I wouldn’t say they aren’t trying. Furthermore, Ubuntu rejected a one-click APT repository installation method in the past (which would have been genuinely useful).

In terms of unofficial packages, seen plenty which were TOTALLY broken. In fact, in the past, at least 1 package incorrectly linked to songbird-bin, instead of songbird to execute (an obvious mistake which proves it wasn’t tested at all). And there have been so many with weird issues which didn’t exist in the .tar.gz, which is why users are redirected to the .tar.gz (there is a good reason). Whilst unofficial packages are getting better and better, its hard for people offering support to know if the problem is caused by a bad package or not.

And linking to community supported packages is a BAD idea, security-wise. A trust based system is a poor system, and its what led to the prevalence of viruses on Windows.

I think if Ubuntu spent time trying to unify formats with Redhat and other vendors (even if done via packagekit), it would save thousands of developer hours worldwide, and open linux up to 3rd party developers more. And, it would save the distro’s plenty of time too, and speed up the development of linux itself.

Just my opinion though (not part of POTI).

@stevel Thank you very much not only for the update, but your honesty. The flock just needs to be kept in the loop…

@coskibum +1
@stevel +1
That, my friend, is the kind of update that we wanted, and I honestly feel quite refreshed now that I know what’s going on. I look forward to KoЯn and/or Led Zeppelin.

So the cd rip remains a windows-only function or it will ben either on the mac os x version?