Songbird Beta is Released!

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We’re excited to announce that Songbird is now in public Beta! This update to Songbird includes a new default look and feel, several new features, performance gains, improvements to stability and additional playback capabilities.

New Features

A New LookA New Look
We’ve completely redesigned Songbird to make it simpler and more intuitive. We’ve improved drag-and-drop throughout the application and worked to optimize music management vs. web browsing experiences.

Smart PlaylistsSmart Playlists
Create dynamic playlists that automatically update based on criteria you set.

Concert TicketsConcert Tickets
Discover upcoming shows in your area based on the artists in your library. Event listings powered by Songkick.

Last.fm ScrobblingLast.fm Scrobbling
Integrated Last.fm support that allows you to scrobble, love, and ban your tracks.

Album ArtworkAlbum Artwork
Display the currently playing track’s album art and write new artwork back to the file.

Note: If you are upgrading from an older version of Songbird, be sure to get the Concerts and Last.fm add-ons so you can enjoy all the new features we’re talking about!

Performance Enhancements

A lot of users have asked us to devote cycles to focusing on performance and stability improvements. We made substantial investments in this release and will continue to dedicate much of our next release to focusing on this area. In this release we:

  • Started our migration towards adopting GStreamer as our media core on all platforms. Starting with this release, GStreamer handles playback of FLAC files. In our next release, GStreamer will become our default media core and handle all codec playback and enable additional functionality, such as gapless playback.
  • Improved startup performance. Launching Songbird is now significantly faster than before, in some cases by several orders of magnitude.
  • Reduced memory usage on Windows and Linux by enabling jemalloc as Songbird’s memory allocator.
  • Reduced the time it takes to import media and scan metadata. On all platforms reading metadata is now twice as fast.
  • Improved search results and sort order by ignoring diacritics (like á, ö etc).

For Developers

Early Feedback on 0.7

“A marked improvement over the last release”Jason Kincaid – TechCrunch

“Songbird’s new UI is also a major improvement”Sarah Perez – ReadWriteWeb

What’s Next

As we march towards a 1.0 release, our goal is to improve existing features while continuing to focus on performance gains and stability issues. Stay tuned to the blog to keep up to date, or if you like to live dangerously check out one of our nightly builds and see the progress for yourself!

We’re always interested in hearing your feedback so please comment below and file bugs and/or feature requests in bugzilla.

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  1. komi Aug 20, 2008 8:55 pm Permalink

    Yay!

  2. Stevo Aug 20, 2008 9:02 pm Permalink

    Lets Rock The Web!

  3. GeekShadow Aug 20, 2008 9:13 pm Permalink

    Play the web !

    This extension is very interesting : http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/1298 can someone please look at the code to make this windows compatible ? it’s a matter of .sh to .cmd file !

  4. tylerstyle Aug 20, 2008 10:17 pm Permalink

    Congratulations.
    Beta. Man. It feels like yesterday, when I think about installing 0.2, or was it 0.1? Man. And now we’re already in Beta. Awesome. Can’t wait to spread it out now ;-)

    All the best and Godspeed to 1.0.

    Tyler out!

  5. Matt Aug 20, 2008 10:25 pm Permalink

    Great Job, but why no Mac PPC support ?

  6. Chauncellor Aug 20, 2008 10:28 pm Permalink

    Whoa, my Songbird sure got fat! Songbird STARTS at a minimum of 160 MB! It very frequently goes up to 300! What happened?

    Using Songbird 0.7 on Ubuntu Hardy

  7. hungry Aug 20, 2008 10:44 pm Permalink

    what happened to the PPC version?
    i searched the site but didn’t find any reference to you guys dropping it…or why…i LOVE songbird but i’m still rockin’ my G4 laptop and G5 desktop…are there really so few PPC users these days?

  8. Daniel Raffel Aug 20, 2008 10:56 pm Permalink

    @Matt and Hungry
    Sorry if this came as a surprise. It was not an easy decision but we announced last month that we were no longer officially supporting Mac PPC. There are a variety of Frequently Asked Questions on Get Sastisfaction regarding this topic that will hopefully clear up any further questions you might have about the decision. Our apologies go out to all Songbird users who are running a Mac PPC build. While we understand that it might not feel like it now, we appreciate your interest and enthusiasm for our project. We sincerely hope you’ll give us another try on one of our officially supported platforms in the future. And who knows, maybe someone from the community will decide to maintain an unofficial, community-contributed Songbird Mac PPC build!

  9. cellarmation Aug 20, 2008 10:56 pm Permalink

    Awesome, Songbird is great to use, and its good to see it getting more stable.

  10. David Aug 20, 2008 11:18 pm Permalink

    Guys.. freaking amazing work!!
    I have been waiting for this project to come together for a while now and it looks like you guys are soooooooo close! Sooo happy for you all, congratulations!

    Keep it up!

  11. Byron Aug 20, 2008 11:21 pm Permalink

    Great job guys! Gonzo is AWESOME! :D

  12. Logo Turtle Aug 20, 2008 11:29 pm Permalink

    After trying Songbird, I decided to dump Winamp after the better part of a decade of use. Kudos!

  13. Will Aug 21, 2008 12:04 am Permalink

    What was the motivation to make the default skin make Songbird look like a cheap iTunes knockoff?

  14. k0sh Aug 21, 2008 12:20 am Permalink

    What about podcasts? Bug 8573

  15. julien Aug 21, 2008 12:25 am Permalink

    thanks for the PPC …. :-(
    PPC is Dead,…
    Pray for him,…

    let’s buy and buy more recent computer ever and ever….

    newer and newer and zut for all the hasbeen altemodische

  16. k0sh Aug 21, 2008 12:32 am Permalink

    Edit->Preferences == Tools -> Options ???

  17. jens Aug 21, 2008 12:34 am Permalink

    Regression that one cannot get rid of the Genre pane in the Music Browser…

    Otherwise looks great – congrats!

  18. biji Aug 21, 2008 1:11 am Permalink

    great improvement from last time i tried..
    new feature request: queue playlist management please ^^
    and also: under linux while playing some music it takes 20% of my cpu which imho should be lower
    thanks !

  19. Slate8 Aug 21, 2008 2:02 am Permalink

    Love the design of the mailer that went out – trying the beta now. Congrats on such a huge milestone!

  20. Cedric Aug 21, 2008 2:05 am Permalink

    Thanks ;-)
    Great work and great improvements.
    I’m longing for MTP support (or USB Mass Storage) on Mac.
    I thought it would be a priority in your development roadmap.
    Connections with AppleTV would be a great thing, too.
    Keep up the good work !!!

  21. DurrHurr Aug 21, 2008 2:35 am Permalink

    So much changed compared to the early versions I tried, incredible! Once you have good Podcast support, I’ll switch to Songbird. Keep up the good work!

  22. Nick Aug 21, 2008 2:48 am Permalink

    Loving it so far. The only reason I’m still using iTunes now is for getting podcasts on my ipod. Otherwise Songbird all the way.

    Thanks for the hard work guys.

    Oh, and the redesign looks and feels awesome.

  23. sebastian Aug 21, 2008 3:00 am Permalink

    pretty nice. the new look is a bit unusual if you’re used to the old black rubberducky feathers but it’s nice after a while.

    i still don’t like the program’s performance. why does it have to take 2 seconds till a song plays after i clicked it? and then the program freezes for a few seconds and i cant do anything (maximize, change volume etc)…. there’s room for improvement there…..

    somehow i don’t get album art either by the way..

    keep up the great work… i hope 0.7 final or at least 0.8 will be the one that has dropped all those mini-flaws like usability performance etc

  24. Adam Aug 21, 2008 3:12 am Permalink

    Songbird gets more and more promising with each release, but I’m still having major memory issues. It’ll jump up to 900,000K for no good reason. This is on XP with a fresh install of Songbird and only the default plugins.

    Keep up the good work!!

  25. Diego Aug 21, 2008 3:26 am Permalink

    Hello, your work on Sonbird is pretty interesting, and maybe it would be my next media player after Amarok, it has a lot of features that i found very useful. I have a question: i´m from Mexico, and i would like to know if this beta version will discover concerts on this area, and if this feature is based on last.fm events, i congratulate you because this is a feature very cool. See u soon.

  26. Chauncellor Aug 21, 2008 4:28 am Permalink

    Wow, why am I the only machine seemingly affected? o.O

    It’s killing my CPU when it just _sits_ there….

  27. Maxo Aug 21, 2008 5:44 am Permalink

    Great job guys and gals. I’m really digging this new player.

  28. Ethan Aug 21, 2008 6:09 am Permalink

    @Diego: we’re working with Songkick.com to expand concert listings globally. Hope to have listings for you soon.

  29. Mike Aug 21, 2008 7:24 am Permalink

    I second jens remarks about not being able to remove the genre listing. Also what about FLV downloads when browsing the web with this thing? Would make for a great add-on/extension.

    Great work guys. I predict that by version 1.5, this will be the premiere kick ass media player. The new gold standard.

  30. Cron Aug 21, 2008 8:41 am Permalink

    I LOVE GONZO!

    I was sitting in the bench on the RCs, and waiting for the final 0.7 was totally worth it. I love the Last.FM plug-in and how it’s integrated into the interface. Before trying I also complained about the “cheap iTunes” GUI, but now I think it fits very nice with the overall design. Also, there’s already a black feather for those who miss Rubberducky.

    But yeah… I’m feeling those memory problems too. Hopefully 0.8 will fix that. Problems aside, I’m dumping my other media players for Songbird. Congrats on your first beta, and thanks.

  31. GeekShadow Aug 21, 2008 9:45 am Permalink

    and coming soon : Gonzoducky, Gonzo with the feel of Rubberducky ! :

    http://antoineturmel.free.fr/img/gonzoducky_beta.png

  32. fanfan Aug 21, 2008 9:49 am Permalink

    Congrats on betadom!

    Worked fine for me on Ubuntu Hardy for the first run, but subsequently it crashes every time I try to start it so I don’t get to use Songbird anymore ;( Crash report sent.

  33. Jamie Aug 21, 2008 12:18 pm Permalink

    @Will: Couldn’t agree more, when I read the announcement e-mail I was expecting this “redesign” to be something good, not a stripped down iTunes clone.

    Everything about the new design makes me think of iTunes, which subsequently means Songbird has as much of a place on my desktop as iTunes itself (none).

  34. Aus Aug 21, 2008 1:51 pm Permalink

    @Chauncellor

    The memory usage is most likely caused by a long outstanding problem with the way we cache library and media item information in Songbird. The cache has no size boundaries and doesn’t expire any of the data that it holds. Eventually that means that all of the library data that resides in a database is loaded into the cache. It makes Songbird fast, but use too much memory. If you want to follow work being done to correct this, add yourself to the CC list for bug 4606, here.

  35. jp22382 Aug 21, 2008 2:02 pm Permalink

    Loving it! Keep up the fantastic work!

    Looking forward to the day I can uninstall iTunes and all other web browsers :P

  36. necimal Aug 21, 2008 2:32 pm Permalink

    Whoa… too much negativity in here!

    This release ROCKS! I can now go out and share Songbird with the world (something I couldn’t do with 0.2 ;)

    Yes, the skin looks like iTunes, and gave me a bit of a fright when I first saw it, but it looks _way_ more professional than “rubberducky”. And if you don’t like it, there are skins for a reason! I love it.

    Memory usage is an issue, but really, not as big as people make out. A couple hundred megs for a sweet mediabrowser? Fine with me!

    Much love Songbird
    xx

  37. moises Aug 21, 2008 3:13 pm Permalink

    Friends,

    Sorry to use the comments to post bugs, but when I’m listening some music, and do a search for other songs, it takes forever! In Windows, it even says that Songbird is not responding. I have 6000+ musics in library, by the way. Well, I love Songbird, hopes you fix it soon. Keep the good work!!

    PS: A feature to clean up missing files and update metadata, please? :D

    Hugs!

  38. Make Aug 21, 2008 3:17 pm Permalink

    Hi, congratulations for your job.

    I two questions.

    1 – I have imported my music from my partition in Windows to my new partition with Linux. After few checkings, I’m sure that this all music got the Artwork. But when I add this music to SongBird, there are a lot of songs that not have the artwork. I try to open with Songbird the same song but from Windows partition, and it got the artwork….Why?

    2 – And another question: I download an image to put into a song using the metadata editor of Songbird. I add this image to this song, and it is displayed. But when I remove this image from my HD, the song does not display any image. Is not possible to embed the image into the song, and after removing the image still displaying it?

    Thank you very much!!

  39. Clamm Aug 21, 2008 3:19 pm Permalink

    FUNCTIONALITY: Perfect, it gets better and better… Thank you all because yet its my favourite player on os x (I hate iTunes)

    DESIGN: There was a lot of progress in the past i dont want to argue anymore abot design (I just loved the dark rubberducky ;-) )

    IDEA: I have been in Berlin during the last two weeks. The friday of the first weekend no one of my friends had time and i thought i will spend that evening alone. It was quite hard to figure out all the clubs available. I am thinking about a google Maps Plugin which shows concerts and clubs sortable by genre. I think this could suite very well to songbird. I think this could be my contribution ;-)

  40. Rob'n Aug 21, 2008 3:31 pm Permalink

    I want my Old Songbird Skin, BACK !
    This skin looks like too much like itune or a mac software…
    I love My Songbird I want my old Skin back !
    Where is my “dark rubberducky” sniff sniff

  41. Ernest Oporto Aug 21, 2008 7:35 pm Permalink

    Bonjour? Not yet?

  42. billyvnilly Aug 21, 2008 8:31 pm Permalink

    I’m not impressed with the concert addon just yet, considering their website is much more robust. would like an easier interface option such as entering zip code and miles radius.

  43. AranoX Aug 22, 2008 2:20 am Permalink

    Will there a native 64-bit version out?

  44. seba Aug 22, 2008 2:43 am Permalink

    Well, It looks a lot like iTunes, but hey: iTunes is for many the default player (as it was also for me), so that’s not such a negative point.

    I now just wonder if people will think: ‘well it’s just an iTunes copy, so I don’t see a benefit for using it.’

  45. Chris Aug 22, 2008 5:09 am Permalink

    I think Songbird need automatically refresh music database like in the newest WMP. It’s comfortable

  46. asasa Aug 22, 2008 6:41 am Permalink

    the shoutcast does more with how it is done?
    I have yet to reinstall the shoutcast but nothing is: -
    so it is possible to the appearance of the old version has this version?
    thank you in advance

  47. aus Aug 22, 2008 12:00 pm Permalink

    @moises

    Sorry about the sluggish search. We’re aware of this issue and we hope to fix it soon. You can track progress on work being done to fix it by adding yourself to the CC list for bug 9646, here.

  48. Matt Aug 22, 2008 12:17 pm Permalink

    @Rob’n:

    You can download Rubberducky (the original dark look) from http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/1277

    There are also some darker versions of gonzo at
    http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addons?category=appearance&order=last-updated

  49. Dino Aug 22, 2008 12:33 pm Permalink

    Congratulations with the beta!
    You all have done an extraordinary job.
    Unbelievable how much this project has improved!!

    Keep up the good work!

  50. maks Aug 22, 2008 12:42 pm Permalink

    Hey,
    I discovered songbrid with release 0.6, and I like it a lot, plan to use it as my default player when everything’s stable :)
    One thing that I don’t like with this release, is it’s iTunes-like skin – why have it look like it’s main target, rather than marking your difference? I really liked the rubberducky skin, can we have it back as alternative skin? Thanks :)

  51. maks Aug 22, 2008 12:45 pm Permalink

    edit: sorry, I didn’t see the post with the links for the rubberducky skin when I wrote the former comment. Will download it asap, thanks!

  52. Vlad Aug 22, 2008 2:45 pm Permalink

    @moises: The Ghostbusters add-on solves the problem with missing tracks and library metadata cleanup, get it here: http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/216

  53. George Aug 22, 2008 4:20 pm Permalink

    December 2005:

    http://news.cnet.co.uk/digitalmusic/0,39029666,39195238,00.htm

    It just goes to show, a crew of dedicated coders can buck the odds and almost complete a music player app in three years, if they really put their minds to it.

  54. BrettFromTibet Aug 22, 2008 4:25 pm Permalink

    Songbird team,

    I felt a tremendous sense of elation when I installed the new beta release!!!

    It’s just oozing with quality, style and innovation!

    It has come so, so far since the first time I installed it over 2 years ago…

    And for the first time in YEARS… it feels like it is a pleasure to listen to and shop for music on my Macintosh.

    I am very, very proud of all the hard work you have done on this project… You have no idea how much happiness this brings me…. ! The idea that I am going to be able to buy and enjoy music on my Macintosh – unshackled – once again!
    It’s not done yet but I can see a happy future and major market share for Songbird on the horizon!

    THANK YOU! tHANK yOU! THANK YOU!!

    And God bless you.

    “Let there be songs to fill there air!”- Jerry Garcia

  55. Chrome Aug 22, 2008 5:29 pm Permalink

    I am really looking forward to testing this, but the swiss german translation is f**king insult. At least the system could ask me if I want some stupid dialect translations instead of proper german, After all Swiss german is only a SPOKEN language and not a written one!!

    Looks neat though and I will test it as soon as I got rid of the stupid translation

  56. JimC Aug 22, 2008 8:00 pm Permalink

    After installing 0.7, the File menu (the entire menu, in fact) has disappeared.

  57. Jordan Aug 22, 2008 10:09 pm Permalink

    If Songbird eventually develops into a player equal in functionality to iTunes, except with Firefox-style extensions, then it will easily become the #1 non-corporate media player. If it was leaner than iTunes that would be gravy.

    Remember, iTunes is the gold standard, not for its looks, but for its functionality. If you haven’t used iTunes for a year or more you probably wouldn’t be aware of all the various functional bits here and there. They are hiding, under all of the corporate crap Apple has ladled into it.

  58. Nicolás Georger Aug 22, 2008 10:22 pm Permalink

    Hi there:

    I’ve tested the software and i loved it, with the exception of the RAM usage. It’s incredible how a media player can uses 250 MB. aprox of RAM!!!
    Please take a look to it! I will test it again in a further beta or the upcoming release!
    Thanks a lot and excuse my english :)

  59. Ballatician Aug 22, 2008 10:48 pm Permalink

    First of all, congrats on the beta, I’m looking forward to using it.

    I think this has been brought up before but when I imported my music through the Vista music folders I had an issue with some of the artists, specifically ones with contributing artists. For example, the Run – DMC greatest hits albums has a few songs that feat another band such as Aerosmith. In windows and itunes for that matter the if I select Run-DMC as the artist, every single song is listed. In Songbird, however, the artists are separated and if I sort by artist Run-DMC the tracks featuring other bands don’t show up.

    The benefit of having album artist and then artists as separate meta tags I think is obvious. You should be able to sort by either one and see every album they have participated in. I realize I could just go by album but still this would be a nice fix.

  60. Ballatician Aug 22, 2008 10:57 pm Permalink

    Another thing I wanted to add, and maybe this has been addressed in one of the release candidates is the way metadata is imported. When I save a new album in windows I take care of all the metadata such as year and track right then and there. When I imported it not all of the information came, for example the track numbers.

  61. Stevo Aug 23, 2008 12:17 am Permalink

    There is an Album Artist field, it might be that it is not being filled properly. If you go to the right side of the column headers on the play list you will see a small image that looks like a folder, clicking this will allow you to select different fields to display and there should be one called “Album Artist”.

  62. hotdox Aug 23, 2008 1:24 am Permalink

    I like the mini player view,

    *after changing from main view to mini, window places in center of screen.

    -May be app should remember last position in mini view and place window there

    *most part of music bands have article “The” in their names, it is bad for alphabetical sorting

    -May be app should cut off this article and represent names in such way for example (”Doors, The” , “Oddtones, the”)

  63. MonkeyFit Aug 23, 2008 1:34 am Permalink

    How do i enable gstreamer to handle all my codecs on windows? I like to live dangerously.

  64. Stephen Aug 23, 2008 2:35 am Permalink

    Wow. Songbird has really lost its character is this release. Even the website lacks character. I don’t understand the purpose of just dumping all of that. o.O “Simple” and “intuitive” are great, but there’s no hook, no attitude.

  65. Libor Aug 23, 2008 3:56 am Permalink

    Thanks for good work on Songbird. It really gets better.

    I installed 0.7.0 beta (on winXP). I had problem after switch to Czech language (Songbird after restart fell and it was necessary to switch back to English). This is not the problem for me, so in fact I don’t mind.

    On the other side: isn’t really possible to add somewhere to “Option” menu possibility to switch Songbird to minimize to tray. The add-on is not working anymore (last upgrade was 1 year ago). It would be really great to have it direct in Songbird, as I usually have a lot of programs open and listening to music in background. It’d spare some space on my window’s bar. I think I’m not the only one who’d welcome this feature.

    Anyway, thanks a lot and keep good work!

  66. barrygardner Aug 23, 2008 4:14 am Permalink

    How can I downgrade to v0.6 so I can get mtp support back for my samsung yp-p2?

    Barry

  67. juls Aug 23, 2008 4:53 am Permalink

    Great release!

    Any idea why on some DJ sets downloaded from http://www.newmixes.com the ‘time/length’ is not showing in Songbird (it does in WMP)?

    Is there an add-on to correct meta data?

  68. Rob Jones Aug 23, 2008 5:52 am Permalink

    I like the new functionality.However I am not able to get a desktop Icon on my short cut? This happened in V6 and has not been fixed in V7. This Icon is present in the set up short cut though.

    The new layout is not an improvement in the user interface seems to be someones idea more than a structured approach.Don’t spoil the product be vfore its given a chance.I would very much like to stick to the ITunes configeration until the produce matures.

    Please provide a feedback survey on the site?

  69. Victor Kinzer Aug 23, 2008 7:27 am Permalink

    Ok. I’m downloading it and am going to try it. However, what first drew me to songbird way back and proof of concept was that it actually looked dark the way I want windows to look. Now you have re-created iTunes. In terms of initial visual impact, just first impression you think “Oh Mac finally tweaked the look of iTunes a little”. This is a TERRIBLE marketing idea, and I’m REALLY hoping that you will create a set of optional feathers that ship with songbird that look at least passingly like your initial design.

  70. BrettFromTibet Aug 23, 2008 10:33 am Permalink

    The iTunes like interface for the default feather is NOT a marketing mistake. It is a smart move. it is instantly familiar to people – “don’t make them think.”

    The new design and aesthetics for the Songbird site and feathers are brilliant – oozing with class…. no black clunky design.. no more farting birds….

    KEEP GOING LIKE YOU’RE GOING! It looks better an better each time!

    -SongBird’s #1 Fan / Evangelist

  71. songbirduser Aug 23, 2008 3:20 pm Permalink

    Thanks! Is very good music software!

    Bug: Songbird v0.7 NOT play flac file (24 bits / 192 Khz)

  72. Coldwater Aug 23, 2008 6:42 pm Permalink

    I have a slightly odd problem.

    When I import iTunes library into Songbird, it apparently automatically gets rid of duplicates.

    However, it counts songs with the same name but from different albums as duplicates and gets rid of one. How do I stop it doing that? *Should* it be doing that?

    I’m on Windows XP, if that matters.

  73. alexbttf Aug 23, 2008 10:13 pm Permalink

    Wow, it feels just like yesterday I download Songbird 0.1. Soo much amazing work has been done since then. The UI is leaner, less memory is being taken up, amazing extensions being written, it’s unreal :D This little app that could is shaping up to be a very real alternative to iTunes :D Keep on going!

  74. sabayenda Aug 24, 2008 12:10 am Permalink

    I love that this version has smart playlists (YAY!), but it would be awesome if they would sync with my iPod too, so I can, you know, listen to them on my iPod, sync it and have all that delicious goodness of playlists changing on how I treat the music that’s in them. Also, I haven’t tried it yet, but I *hope* that all the little details get synced too, like playcount, ratings, stuff like that. One thing I hated in 0.6 was that I would rate a song in Songbird, and then have to “re-rate” it on my iPod later after it’d been synced. Ohh…Another annoying thing is .ogg files don’t get converted to a compatible file type so that they’ll go on my iPod, so I always get a bunch of errors when I sync. Otherwise, 0.7 is a great release!

  75. aus Aug 24, 2008 1:51 pm Permalink

    @Coldwater

    I think Songbird is probably doing the right thing. The songs should actually have the same content signature to not get imported.

    @sabayenda

    It should be possible to sync smart playlists to your iPod by using Full Sync or Playlist based syncing. Normally most of the information should get transferred over to your iPod although I’m not sure if we support things like ratings properly :(

    As for re-encoding your ogg file to something compatible with your iPod… I wouldn’t hold my breath :) We are however putting in a lot of infrastructure in the next release so that we can code that feature. I have no ETA though on when we’d support transcoding on the fly to a format that a device supports.

  76. desirecampbell Aug 24, 2008 2:45 pm Permalink

    Great stuff. /Love/ the new layout.

  77. Ballatician Aug 24, 2008 7:54 pm Permalink

    @Stevo

    I see in the main pane where there is an option to display the Album Artist. What I meant however is that if you are filtering by artist at the top, a song in which the album artist has collaborated with another artist will not show up. The way its handled in windows mp is that artists are listed as johndoe; janedoe . If I were to look at all songs by johndoe or janedoe the song in which they collaborated would show up. In songbird it will be like johndoe/janedoe and if I look at all songs by either individual their collaboration does not show up..I hope this makes sense.

  78. Ecclesia Aug 25, 2008 5:29 am Permalink

    I’m loving the direction of Songbird. There are so many things that are a step in the right direction here, and I really want to use this as my main media player. Unfortunately, this release has a large CPU usage even at idle. I’m using the Linux version (I’ve noticed others have had this problem as well).

  79. Victor Aug 25, 2008 6:43 am Permalink

    @ BrettFromTibet

    I think the new design is wonderful overall, once you put a decent skin on it. If the default looks that much like the market leader though most people are going to think it’s a ripoff. You don’t want to make people have to think (much as I HATE that aspect of society), but you do want to make a unique impression on them and have them remember your product as something unique. Right now my first thought upon seeing the player is “Oh it’s a iTunes ripoff”. Which if I’m already using iTunes I have no motivation to dig into the program and realize how much better it really is. So while I may be wrong, I really do think it is a marketing mistake. The general UI design is a major win. They need a different set of feathers on top of that design by 1.0 though.

  80. BrettFromTibet Aug 25, 2008 8:41 am Permalink

    I posted about the release of Songbird Beta on Tribe.net and got a bunch of backlash from blind iTunes fanboys.

  81. Green energy Aug 25, 2008 6:47 pm Permalink

    After trying Songbird, I decided to dump Winamp after the better part of a decade of use. Kudos!

  82. espy Aug 26, 2008 2:50 am Permalink

    Wait wait wait, something strange has happened: you can no longer open new library instances or playlists in separate tabs, only websites! That used to work, and that was the one feature that really won me over, because, quite frankly, everything should be tabbed nowadays. So where did the library/playlist tabs go?

    Halp! Please :D

  83. snack Aug 26, 2008 5:18 am Permalink

    “Undo Skin” is the single most important feature of this release.

  84. ebanol Aug 26, 2008 5:42 am Permalink

    Looks good, works great!

  85. atreiu Aug 26, 2008 9:59 am Permalink

    @espy: If I understand your problem right, my add-on will help you:
    “Old Tabs Behaviour” – http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/1293

  86. rob lord Aug 26, 2008 10:15 am Permalink

    @snack

    “Undo Skin”?

  87. SakJur Aug 26, 2008 11:21 am Permalink

    GAAHHH!!!! No STUPID iTunes wanna-be colour theme! 0.6.1 theme is ten times better than 0.7.0

  88. Clamm Aug 26, 2008 4:15 pm Permalink

    I dont wanna argue personally about the skin anymore. But i observed the press releases regarding songbird 0.7 in the most important internet pages in german. The skin seems to annoy a group of users which give responses like: “poor iTunes clone”, “…why should i switch this is just another iTunes”, whatever… As already said… i think the best thing would be to make both groups happy (iTunes lovers/ haters)… Version 0.6 was nearer to that. I am not taking about the layout options. At 0.6 the layout itself was more like iTunes than now, but even with the main controls at bottom it now seems to look too much like iTunes. Before 0.7 (as far as i remember) there were no such big argues about a iTunes clone.

  89. atreiu Aug 26, 2008 5:14 pm Permalink

    I don’t understand all the complaining about the skin.
    1.That’s what feathers are for, right? If you don’t like a feather (because it’s too ituny), you switch it. How easy is this in Itunes?!
    2.There are good reasons for the itunes-like colors: they go well with all OS and OS-Themes. Rubberducky was too dark for many screens. Not enough contrast.
    3. It is a nice design, why don’t copy nice things and combine them to something new? Hey, Apple has build white Notebooks! Let’s never ever build white notebooks again!?
    4. And most important: Don’t judge a book by its cover! In the core, Songbird is much more promising than iTunes. The add-on-system will prove this. If the cover is more important to you than the content, go back to No. 1.

    I say: stick with the new design. People will get used to it. I already love it.

  90. snack Aug 26, 2008 5:18 pm Permalink

    @rob lord
    Skin
    Theme
    Feathers
    Design

    I about spewed coffee on my monitor when the Beta launched.
    Unfortunate on several levels especially for a such a quality product.

  91. atreiu Aug 26, 2008 5:34 pm Permalink

    @snack:
    Here is your “undo skin”: http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/1277

  92. espy Aug 27, 2008 1:17 am Permalink

    @atreiu: you did, thank you very much for making that add-on! Yay for tabs :D

  93. Clamm Aug 27, 2008 2:14 am Permalink

    @atreiu
    Overall you are definetly right. I know what in Songbird and qould stick with it with whatever default skin. But i was just reporting what people say which arent yet hyped by rockbox and just look at it by a very simple point of view. Maybe the perfect skin is somewhere between rubberducky and Gonzo, i dunno…

  94. sclinac Aug 27, 2008 8:11 pm Permalink
  95. browny Aug 28, 2008 12:49 am Permalink

    Great job !!! Big thanks !! VLC and SongBird ruleesss !!!

  96. sabayenda Aug 28, 2008 10:59 pm Permalink

    @ aus:
    Hi, you said that my iPod should sync with smart playlists, but it doesn’t…I’ve tried syncing it with “all music, video and playlists”, I’ve tried “selected playlists” and those don’t work. I was having a problem for a while where it would only load two playlists instead of all (I had “all music, video and playlists” checked) though now it’s syncing all of the playlists, except for the smart playlists. In case you’re wondering, I have a 5th generation iPod, and I’m running Ubuntu 8.04. I would really love to finally have smart playlists working in Songbird; I know you can help me!

  97. sabayenda Aug 28, 2008 11:14 pm Permalink

    @ aus:
    Hello again! So I tried “Manual manage” and I was dragging the smart playlists to the iPod and they weren’t showing up, then I unmounted and now there are the smart playlists on my iPod, and some playlists with the name of my iPod that have the same contents of the smart playlists, BUT, only the “highest rated” playlists seems to be working correctly, because when I dragged the smart playlists into my library it appears that it added my ENTIRE library and is using it to generate these smart playlists, while these same playlists in Songbird only have around 15-20 songs in them. With close to 4000 songs in each playlist, they’re neither smart nor practical. I know I seem nitpicky, but I want to help you in explaining as best I can what is happening to me so it doesn’t happen to someone else!

  98. help Aug 28, 2008 11:53 pm Permalink

    hello everybody,please help me,this program run error and don’t work:
    XML Parsing Error: error in processing external entity reference
    Location: chrome://songbird/content/xul/firstRunWizard.xul
    Line Number 42, Column 1:
    %songbirdDTD;
    ^

  99. Hoshi Sep 1, 2008 1:06 am Permalink

    Just a little note on the side, last.fm doesn’t seem to work properly on some occasions. Sometimes only the last played track is submitted while everything else played before is not? What to do?

  100. TaToosh Sep 1, 2008 1:54 am Permalink

    I’m new to Songbird.
    How to use the Database in a Network?

    Can I store the DB file on a local Server (i used MediaMonkey or Helium Music Manager – there you can do so).
    Thx 4 helping …

  101. Calvin Sep 1, 2008 9:11 am Permalink

    I don’t like the album art and scrobling. Could I get rid of it?

  102. atreiu Sep 1, 2008 9:35 am Permalink

    @TaToosh: remote database (through network) are not supported, yet.

    @Calvin: in menu “View” -> “Hide Service Pane Bottom”

  103. pete Sep 5, 2008 2:15 pm Permalink

    a very good release – i like it very much , and looking forward to the next releases . but aside that , there is one question i wanna ask (no bad intention !) :
    why do u waste resources , time and power to do versions for the mac plattform ? is there anybody out there who uses songbird instead of i- tunes ? i know its all about opensource and that , but i don’t get it .
    just my thoughts ………..

    :-) )

    thx pete

  104. snack Sep 5, 2008 5:35 pm Permalink

    @atrieu
    You frickin rock.

    Rubberducky!
    http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/1277

  105. Calvin Sep 7, 2008 11:22 am Permalink

    I accidentally started the songbird update. How do I stop it?

  106. Jetmac Sep 7, 2008 5:58 pm Permalink

    This new update is awesome except for one thing — it is flat out killing my machine. It is maxing out my CPU and my RAM — music freezes at about the 2 sec point, and my entire computer freezes and locks. I am using an old machine for my Linux platform (Ubuntu 8.04 on a Gateway solo 9100, 650mhz, 500MB), but I never had this problem on Songbird .6. As a matter of fact, despite my computer’s old age, Songbird .6 ran flawlessly.

    Is this a common error? Has a bug been noted and started?

  107. Jetmac Sep 8, 2008 8:15 am Permalink

    Pete,

    I use Songbird instead of iTunes. I use Linux, which I prefer to both Mac and Windows and Songibrd gives me the AV features I want, as well as supporting my ipod. I also prefer the open source nature of the system, the ability to effectively search and obtain music through the web, and its useability. Much like I would rather use Firefox than Explorer — I prefer Songbird to iTunes. The program is a little buggy still, but it does everything I want and it does it very well.

  108. Camu Sep 12, 2008 9:09 am Permalink

    Thank you!!! Cominciavo davvero a non sopportare più iTunes….

  109. Jade Sep 30, 2008 11:18 pm Permalink

    What a shame for those of us that can’t afford to upgrade our computers to Intel. For me, Songbird was the last best hope for a media player that could approach itunes in terms of functionality, whilst supporting the full range of audio playback codecs. I’m deeply disappointed that i and fellow ppc mac users are now basically condemned to wait and for either enough money to upgrade machine or some miracle worker to create an Amarok port. Thanks for wasting my time and bandwidth.

  110. TW99 Nov 26, 2008 8:54 pm Permalink

    Support for the Samsung YP-P2 is broken in this .7 release. Looking forward for a fix.

  111. Memphis Feb 4, 2009 6:02 am Permalink

    I’m glad to see that 1.0 had been launch. The beta version has been great for listening to at work.