Comments on: Return of the RIA? http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2008/05/06/return-of-the-ria/ Play music. Play the Web. Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:14:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: roblord http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2008/05/06/return-of-the-ria/#comment-9142 roblord Thu, 08 May 2008 20:42:24 +0000 http://blog.songbirdnest.com/?p=372#comment-9142 @Forest: Go InstantBird! @Richard and notme: I believe you two just underscored the reason Mark thinks the term "web application" is more suitable/apropos. Mark assumes, correctly IMHO, that there's only marginal difference between the user utility an app developer/web publisher may author inside versus outside the browser canvas rectangle. My point is that an *Internet* application, specifically an RIA, pre-supposes an open client server-system, disaggregating client development and innovation from server development an innovation. Client and server need agree only the client-server methods, formats and protocols. This architectural disaggregation is, of course, the heart of the Web's success. So then, RIA-ness is measured by its Internet-ness, its open client-server architecture. No offense to non-Internet-y apps yo! You're just not RIAs like Hillary isn't Obama. Rob @Forest: Go InstantBird!

@Richard and notme:
I believe you two just underscored the reason Mark thinks the term “web application” is more suitable/apropos. Mark assumes, correctly IMHO, that there’s only marginal difference between the user utility an app developer/web publisher may author inside versus outside the browser canvas rectangle.

My point is that an *Internet* application, specifically an RIA, pre-supposes an open client server-system, disaggregating client development and innovation from server development an innovation. Client and server need agree only the client-server methods, formats and protocols. This architectural disaggregation is, of course, the heart of the Web’s success. So then, RIA-ness is measured by its Internet-ness, its open client-server architecture.

No offense to non-Internet-y apps yo! You’re just not RIAs like Hillary isn’t Obama.

Rob

]]> By: notme http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2008/05/06/return-of-the-ria/#comment-9131 notme Thu, 08 May 2008 15:04:39 +0000 http://blog.songbirdnest.com/?p=372#comment-9131 "You just can’t do those things inside the browser." Oh yes, every thing you described can be done in a browser ;) “You just can’t do those things inside the browser.”
Oh yes, every thing you described can be done in a browser ;)

]]> By: Richard Crowley http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2008/05/06/return-of-the-ria/#comment-9105 Richard Crowley Wed, 07 May 2008 20:46:56 +0000 http://blog.songbirdnest.com/?p=372#comment-9105 To me RIA has always meant a real native installed application that was used to interact with the Internet. The realm of RIAs is that which is outside the capabilities of the web browser. The bastardization of the term started with its use to describe any website that danced a little bit. Firefox is certainly the one we all reach towards but Songbird, the Flickr Uploadr (yep, shameless plug), every IM client - these are what RIA really means. You just can't do those things inside the browser. To me RIA has always meant a real native installed application that was used to interact with the Internet. The realm of RIAs is that which is outside the capabilities of the web browser. The bastardization of the term started with its use to describe any website that danced a little bit. Firefox is certainly the one we all reach towards but Songbird, the Flickr Uploadr (yep, shameless plug), every IM client - these are what RIA really means. You just can’t do those things inside the browser.

]]> By: forest http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2008/05/06/return-of-the-ria/#comment-9097 forest Wed, 07 May 2008 16:12:16 +0000 http://blog.songbirdnest.com/?p=372#comment-9097 It seems like you could write a <a href="http://www.instantbird.com/" rel="nofollow">InstantBird</a> plugin to do what you are talking about with Twitter?? It seems like you could write a InstantBird plugin to do what you are talking about with Twitter??

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