Comments on: Feeding Habits of the Songbird http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird/ Play music. Play the Web. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:37:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: brian http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird/comment-page-1/#comment-512 brian Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:39:59 +0000 http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird#comment-512 i know the drawings get us nowhere in terms of the product itself, but as long as they don't take away from development time, i'm all for 'em actually, the drawings inspired me in a way. for all those people ranting about when songbird will arrive, i have a little songbird time-waster :) http://brian.shaler.name/songbird.html feel free to repost it if you like it. i would prefer that anyone reposting it would host the swf on their server. if you do, there's no need to link to me or anything. enjoy! i know the drawings get us nowhere in terms of the product itself, but as long as they don’t take away from development time, i’m all for ‘em

actually, the drawings inspired me in a way. for all those people ranting about when songbird will arrive, i have a little songbird time-waster :)

http://brian.shaler.name/songbird.html

feel free to repost it if you like it. i would prefer that anyone reposting it would host the swf on their server. if you do, there’s no need to link to me or anything.

enjoy!

]]> By: Qui-gon Jinn http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird/comment-page-1/#comment-511 Qui-gon Jinn Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:07:12 +0000 http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird#comment-511 Announcing release dates and then blowing them off would not be so bad if you had proper explanations and did not resort to posting inane pictures that no one really cares about. Have the developers of Songbird learned nothing from others that promised an item then failed to deliver on time? Release the darn thing as Beta with the usual warnings and let users start giving you proper feedback like Mozilla does with Fx and Tb. The longer you wait to release the better your chance that many will lose interest and move on to companies that can deliver software when they promise to. Announcing release dates and then blowing them off would not be so bad if you had proper explanations and did not resort to posting inane pictures that no one really cares about.

Have the developers of Songbird learned nothing from others that promised an item then failed to deliver on time?

Release the darn thing as Beta with the usual warnings and let users start giving you proper feedback like Mozilla does with Fx and Tb.

The longer you wait to release the better your chance that many will lose interest and move on to companies that can deliver software when they promise to.

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird/comment-page-1/#comment-510 Anonymous Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:08:38 +0000 http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird#comment-510 Right, then, so far as Gentoo is concerned, 0.1 is "Useless" and 0.2 is where you get to play along. Still, insofar as "I want to make this work on my Sparc!" goes, it's going to be hard for someone to do that. They'll have to figure out how to make the system-specific stuff (especially VLC) compile properly on their Sparc. Right, then, so far as Gentoo is concerned, 0.1 is “Useless” and 0.2 is where you get to play along.

Still, insofar as “I want to make this work on my Sparc!” goes, it’s going to be hard for someone to do that. They’ll have to figure out how to make the system-specific stuff (especially VLC) compile properly on their Sparc.

]]> By: Dragoonmac http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird/comment-page-1/#comment-509 Dragoonmac Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:43:08 +0000 http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird#comment-509 No offense taken at all. I think, again as a non-programmer, that I may have used a confusing bit of terminology. What I said was I'd like to wait till things are buildable, as in (I think), I'd like to be able to download the source, and build the program workng on my Linux, like one must do with, say, MPlayer. I may have used the wrong word there... I assumed when you said un-compilable you meant, basically, for those of us who don't program, but do have to build our software in some way (i.e. Gentoo users), Useless. As the code could be played with by someone who knew what it did, but the rest of us would ust sit there and get build errors all day. So sorry for any confusion this may have caused, but I think I can make it up to you with a few answers to the benefits of open source (for morons like me). 1. Its Free, it will always be free (in some form). - I can't gaurentee that iTunes won't turn around and start charging me in the next month. 2. As I've said before, it's cross platform because it can be compiled for each platform - even if I can't, some programming programmer can and will make it work on my OS of choice. 3. OpenSource projects can live longer - If, heaven forbid, you all decide to up and quit this project (after you've released the source), others can take up the torch, and Songbird won't become Sonique. 4. We can request features of our programming buddies - 'nuff said. 5. It's free - I know I already said it, but damnit I'll say it again, I can trust OSS not to spy on me, and not to charge me. Hope it helps... I guess... Keep up the good work songbird team, I'm behind you 127.3% No offense taken at all. I think, again as a non-programmer, that I may have used a confusing bit of terminology.
What I said was I’d like to wait till things are buildable, as in (I think), I’d like to be able to download the source, and build the program workng on my Linux, like one must do with, say, MPlayer. I may have used the wrong word there… I assumed when you said un-compilable you meant, basically, for those of us who don’t program, but do have to build our software in some way (i.e. Gentoo users), Useless. As the code could be played with by someone who knew what it did, but the rest of us would ust sit there and get build errors all day.
So sorry for any confusion this may have caused, but I think I can make it up to you with a few answers to the benefits of open source (for morons like me).
1. Its Free, it will always be free (in some form). – I can’t gaurentee that iTunes won’t turn around and start charging me in the next month.
2. As I’ve said before, it’s cross platform because it can be compiled for each platform – even if I can’t, some programming programmer can and will make it work on my OS of choice.
3. OpenSource projects can live longer – If, heaven forbid, you all decide to up and quit this project (after you’ve released the source), others can take up the torch, and Songbird won’t become Sonique.
4. We can request features of our programming buddies – ’nuff said.
5. It’s free – I know I already said it, but damnit I’ll say it again, I can trust OSS not to spy on me, and not to charge me.

Hope it helps… I guess…
Keep up the good work songbird team, I’m behind you 127.3%

]]> By: mig http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird/comment-page-1/#comment-508 mig Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:48:40 +0000 http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird#comment-508 Uhm... please don't take offense, I just want to understand. If you're not a programmer, why do you care about compiling your own version of our software (as opposed to simply ensuring that all programmers who want to can compile us)? This was a question that came up over dinner the other night -- what value does the non-programming user derive directly from Open Source? Directly, all we can come up with is a warm happy spot knowing that they're supporting a movement that Microsoft would describe as a dangerous and subversive form of Communism. So I'm a bit confused why an avowed nonprogrammer would want to wait until things were buildable, assuming that buildability is inherently uninteresting to the nonprogrammer. (Ignoring, for a moment, my argument that our C++ code isn't overwhelmingly interesting on its own ground and most of the things developers should get excited about are in .idl and .js files) Uhm… please don’t take offense, I just want to understand. If you’re not a programmer, why do you care about compiling your own version of our software (as opposed to simply ensuring that all programmers who want to can compile us)?

This was a question that came up over dinner the other night — what value does the non-programming user derive directly from Open Source?

Directly, all we can come up with is a warm happy spot knowing that they’re supporting a movement that Microsoft would describe as a dangerous and subversive form of Communism.

So I’m a bit confused why an avowed nonprogrammer would want to wait until things were buildable, assuming that buildability is inherently uninteresting to the nonprogrammer.

(Ignoring, for a moment, my argument that our C++ code isn’t overwhelmingly interesting on its own ground and most of the things developers should get excited about are in .idl and .js files)

]]> By: Dragoonmac http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird/comment-page-1/#comment-507 Dragoonmac Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:37:04 +0000 http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird#comment-507 Hey I'd just like to break the flow and compliment y'all, I'm an open Source advocate and all that, I run Linux, and I'm a Music Addict. I also don't have enough RAM to run everything I want to at once. I say all this because its what makes me watch songbird for a release so closely. I don't know Jack about Programming (heck I'm a Poli-Sci Major), but I know that I would rather wait till Feburary for a buildable/cross platform release, then be stuck with code (released to a bunch of "developers" who's biggest contribution will prolly be a del.icio.us bookmark extension) that is unusable and uncompilable to Users like me. So thanks for the Quality effort Songbird team, you aren't getting the credit you deserve. Hey I’d just like to break the flow and compliment y’all, I’m an open Source advocate and all that, I run Linux, and I’m a Music Addict. I also don’t have enough RAM to run everything I want to at once. I say all this because its what makes me watch songbird for a release so closely. I don’t know Jack about Programming (heck I’m a Poli-Sci Major), but I know that I would rather wait till Feburary for a buildable/cross platform release, then be stuck with code (released to a bunch of “developers” who’s biggest contribution will prolly be a del.icio.us bookmark extension) that is unusable and uncompilable to Users like me. So thanks for the Quality effort Songbird team, you aren’t getting the credit you deserve.

]]> By: mig http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird/comment-page-1/#comment-506 mig Thu, 12 Jan 2006 06:54:59 +0000 http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird#comment-506 I'm working on RAM usage because I can't ship my app and it's something with which to keep busy. Trust me, memory "concerns" aren't holding up a release. I’m working on RAM usage because I can’t ship my app and it’s something with which to keep busy.

Trust me, memory “concerns” aren’t holding up a release.

]]> By: taty http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird/comment-page-1/#comment-505 taty Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:30:00 +0000 http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird#comment-505 So the only thing i gather from this blog is that youre programming skills are lacking, you were heavily inspired by Jriver media center and your illustration skills have potential but arent quite there yet. smells like vaporware to me. So the only thing i gather from this blog is that youre programming skills are lacking, you were heavily inspired by Jriver media center and your illustration skills have potential but arent quite there yet. smells like vaporware to me.

]]> By: Spencer http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird/comment-page-1/#comment-504 Spencer Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:16:58 +0000 http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird#comment-504 Dear God!!! It seems like you guys are going to get shot if you don't tell people how much RAM it will take. It's getting so annoying. How many ways are you going to tell us it uses a lot of RAM? So fu8king what?! Yahoo music engine uses 40mb for one song. Who gives a damn if that one stupid program (whatever its called, the one thats "A swiss army knife") uses 7mb of ram. Yours != that. This is like a pre alpha. Let it guzzle the ram. Look at firefox, six tabs are 90mb. People don't really care how much ram something uses. Quit shoving it in our face that this thing will suck up the resources, we get it already! I hope i dont come off as pissed at the developers, though it seems like it, but seriously, theres always going to be people that complain about whatever taking up too much Ram. People can slap the word bloat on anything and it will work. If they want it to use less ram then they have two options. Buy more ram or edit the source code. But please, do not cause the developers more stress by complaining about the ram. People are already pissed enough about the delayed release and having to fix the high ram usage will just make it more delayed. Dear God!!! It seems like you guys are going to get shot if you don’t tell people how much RAM it will take. It’s getting so annoying. How many ways are you going to tell us it uses a lot of RAM? So fu8king what?! Yahoo music engine uses 40mb for one song. Who gives a damn if that one stupid program (whatever its called, the one thats “A swiss army knife”) uses 7mb of ram. Yours != that. This is like a pre alpha. Let it guzzle the ram. Look at firefox, six tabs are 90mb. People don’t really care how much ram something uses. Quit shoving it in our face that this thing will suck up the resources, we get it already!

I hope i dont come off as pissed at the developers, though it seems like it, but seriously, theres always going to be people that complain about whatever taking up too much Ram. People can slap the word bloat on anything and it will work. If they want it to use less ram then they have two options. Buy more ram or edit the source code. But please, do not cause the developers more stress by complaining about the ram. People are already pissed enough about the delayed release and having to fix the high ram usage will just make it more delayed.

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird/comment-page-1/#comment-503 Anonymous Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:40:39 +0000 http://blog.songbirdnest.com/2006/01/09/feeding-habits-of-the-songbird#comment-503 The reason Songbird was unable and is still unable to release their pre-alpha is that their team has been met with legal threats from J River, who feel singbird borrows too much from their Media Center interface. Anyhow, this is very unfortunate to say the least. The reason Songbird was unable and is still unable to release their pre-alpha is that their team has been met with legal threats from J River, who feel singbird borrows too much from their Media Center interface. Anyhow, this is very unfortunate to say the least.

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